November 15th, 2003

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10:51 pm - I know none of you care, but suck it.
I fucking hate the way they fairied up Will in the later seasons of Will and Grace. He was a much more interesting character, and the dynamics of the show desperately needed him to be, the "normal" one.
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[User Picture] From: ravenword
Date: November 15th, 2003 - 08:01 pm
Nope, don't care. Working on that second part.

[User Picture] From: tenaciousg
Date: November 15th, 2003 - 10:17 pm
this is true.

although jack black was on an episode i caught part of the other night as a doctor, and that was amusing.

[User Picture] From: staringgoldfish
Date: November 15th, 2003 - 10:43 pm
Haven't seen more than, say, two episodes of that series, didn't care for it, don't watch it.

'Course, working at night and all. . .

From: aduncous
Date: November 15th, 2003 - 11:06 pm
I have never liked that show. Not to sound militant or anything, but it's all about permissible stereotyping. Will can never be "normal" because people (and by "people" I of course mean "average Americans like those who still give Dubya a good approval rating" and not folk like you or I) will either be uncomfortable with, or get tired of the mundane -- for Will to be a normal man and be gay is still a little touchy for prime-time USA... he either has to be uptight (as he was in the early seasons), or getting nellier by the day (as he is now).

Of course (in defense of my non-homomilitantism), I full realize that tv does this to everything. Unless the narrative pendulum is swinging, people turn the channel. We get bored so quickly; the charm of everything gets lost fast when we live in such a ridiculously superficial culture to begin with. Ah, mass media. I'll stop here before ranting on (because I could go on for a while, but I want to prove -- in at least a minute way -- that I'm not creepy or short-sided in my outrage).

(mad love to my nizzle)

[User Picture] From: mightymonju
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 12:06 am
All sitcoms stereotype. Stereotypes are a basis for a lot of humor. The major networks don't have the time to do accurate character studies in 30 minute sitcoms, the writers are going for laughs. Hell, Monica on friends was a stereotyped OCD. George on Seinfeld was a stereotyped neurotic, the Fonz was a stereotypical cool guy.

I'd think the fact that the sitcom even made it to the networks in the first place is a good sign --- do you remember the perceived furor over Ellen declaring herself a lesbian on her show years ago? And now there's a show (and has been for a while) that, however accurate it is or isn't, concerns itself with homosexual characters, and not as a backdrop or a quick laugh. They're main characters with main storylines and backgrounds, etc.

On another note, I always hated that show. I can only laugh at so many name-drops per hour, and W&G burnt through that allotment in about 6 minutes (2 if I were couting designer clothing references, which I usually was). Plus the TurboQueer (Jack?) and that nasally woman annoyed me to no end.

From: aduncous
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 07:00 am
Yeah; while I can't stand the show itself, I totally know that stereotypes are the norm. I don't think that it's localized to gays by aaaaany stretch of the imagination. I suppose that anyone with a vested interest in (homosexuality/neurotic compulsions/etc) would have extra-special contempt for the stereotypes to which they can relate.

For that reason, I also can't stand that most fat women on television play "the fat friend" or some other non-primary/non-sexual/non-assertive role (exception, of course, being Camryn Manheim -- but I generally forget about her because she looks like this girl I met off the internet who was totally nasty).

[User Picture] From: jimbojones
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 12:16 am
Awww. You know you mah nizzle fo' shizzle.

Anyway, I didn't think Will was too uptight in the early seasons. I mean a little, yeah, but it's not like he was closeted or anything; he just wasn't a total nellie.

(so when the hell's brunch? or dinner or something?)

From: aduncous
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 07:04 am
couple of bad shoes dropped this week; been kinda hectic. how 'bout thursday dinner?

need/want anything specific for x-mas? what to get for the guy who gots errythang?

[User Picture] From: jimbojones
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 09:06 am
Thursday dinner should oughta work just fine.

What I want for X-mas: dinner! backrub! possibly movie-watching!

I'm easy, yo. :)

From: aduncous
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 01:07 pm
So I hear from the ladies! :-)

[User Picture] From: lauracroft
Date: November 16th, 2003 - 01:55 pm

yeah baby, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout...oh...just read past the subject line....

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