September 18th, 2004


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jimbojones
02:20 pm - ironic
 
Laura linked me to OKCupid's new take on the old double-axis political spectrum today. It's basically the same old same old, placing you on a 2 dimensional chart with axes of economic and social liberal/conservativeness; but at the end they try to relate it to whether you'll vote for Bush or Kerry. Ho-hum, kinda, except it's particularly interesting in today's political turmoil to see what the OTHER thousands upon thousands of people who took the test came out as.

But what really struck me as ironic is that, AFTER becoming a successful independent businessman (traditionally, the very stronghold of libertarianism), I quit being a libertarian. Thanks, Gee Dubya, you've shown me so much of what can go horribly wrong with a lack of a safety blanket that I can never think the same way about politics again... even when my own successes seem to be pointing me in the directions I'd already been going.

edit for the reading comprehension challenged: Bush is not a libertarian. Bush is a fascist, by which I mean a member of the area clearly marked on that chart as "fascist". I USED to be a libertarian myself, but have ceased subscribing to that particular philosophy as a result of seeing a real need for government to act as a check-and-balance to corporate interests.

 
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[User Picture] From: vyacheslav
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 11:40 am
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I think I picked up some nasty shit from okcupid.com. None of my IE problems seemed to exist before I started going there and now that I go there with mozilla, once in a while a random window will pop up that says "link so www.soandso.com has failed."


 
[User Picture] From: jimbojones
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 11:42 am
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I seriously doubt okcupid was the culprit. I've never seen anything suspect on any of their pages, and they seem pretty heavily committed to not being evil.


 
[User Picture] From: vyacheslav
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 11:53 am
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Do you think it's possible for someone to plant something in their profile? One day I was looking at some chick named Alexa I think, and these things kept trying to download. And then when I ran adaware and spybot later I found something that was named Alexa.

I took the test and I scored almost exactly the same spot as you, which I was surprised by because I always say I'm Libertarian.


 
From: jimbojones
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:18 pm
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From: mightymonju
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 10:08 pm
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From: vyacheslav
Date: September 19th, 2004 - 07:58 am
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Date: September 19th, 2004 - 11:45 am
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Date: September 19th, 2004 - 12:02 pm
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[User Picture] From: apotheon
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 11:59 am
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Bush is more of a Democrat than a Libertarian. I'm not sure how you see him as having anything to do with libertarianism. He's really a totalitarian, which is diametrically opposed to libertarianism in the final analysis.


 
[User Picture] From: jimbojones
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:15 pm
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Wtf are you smoking? Whatever it is, it's bad for you.

I never called Bush a libertarian, and he's certainly a totalitarian either - if he was, he wouldn't keep cozying up to corporate interests. He's a fascist. (Look on the chart, if you can't come up with what "fascist" means other than a knee-jerk political insult.)

I'M no longer a libertarian because I've seen what happens to a "fair economy" when it's allowed to get choked off by huge corporate interests, and in particular huge corporate interests that begin buying off the government.


 
[User Picture] From: apotheon
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:26 pm
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Where do you get this bizarre notion that "cozying up to corporate interests" is a libertarian notion? Corporate welfare, favoring corporate interests over those of the individual, and granting perpetual intellectual property renewals to corporate entities runs rather counter to libertarian ethics.

You used Bush as an example of what you don't like about libertarianism, and yet his policies are less libertarian than those of Bill Clinton were. No wonder I thought of what you were saying as claiming the Bush administration's policies were somehow similar to those of libertarian political theory, don't ya think? Trying to blame Bush for your turn to socialism as though a totalitarian (yes, totalitarian — fascism is a form of authoritarianism, and most authoritarian systems are tolatitarian in paractice) somehow invalidates libertarianism is like refusing to buy an Audi because you owned a Yugo, proving that only domestic cars are any good.

Bush's economic policies are nothing like fair, and nothing like free. You've made some erroneous assumptions, and it seems like the assumptions mostly have something to do with believing Bush's rhetoric. He claims to be in favor of a free market, but his policies work toward a less-free market than Clinton's did — and that's really saying something.


 
From: jimbojones
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:29 pm
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From: apotheon
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:40 pm
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From: jimbojones
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:46 pm
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a brief recap



 
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Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:53 pm
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Date: September 18th, 2004 - 01:01 pm
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Date: September 18th, 2004 - 02:08 pm
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Date: September 18th, 2004 - 03:53 pm
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Date: September 18th, 2004 - 05:17 pm
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Date: September 29th, 2004 - 09:41 am
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Date: September 29th, 2004 - 09:45 am
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[User Picture] From: tawnyleona
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 12:32 pm
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I got centrist, on the Democratic side, but almost on the line towards Libertarian. I'm on Adam Sandler's shoulder. Heh.

Entertaining.



 
[User Picture] From: staringgoldfish
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 01:04 pm
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I'm right in the middle of the triangle formed by Mikhail Gorbechev, Hilary Rodham-Clinton and Robert Redford.

sillyfun


 
From: lamfear
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 01:47 pm
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I ended up in the exact same spot as Jimbo.


 
[User Picture] From: discogravy
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 02:00 pm
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I'm right where the "m" in Jimbo is.


 
[User Picture] From: sanguine37
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 03:52 pm
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Odd how in some tests I'm Libertarian but in this one I fall right where that T in Socialist lands.


 
[User Picture] From: bitchness
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 03:56 pm
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I'm still a Libertarian.


 
From: doomers
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 07:56 pm
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I'm mysteriously right inbetween the border of the Centrist circle and the D in Democrat. I say mysteriously cause I thought I would have been closer to Socialist.


 
[User Picture] From: mightymonju
Date: September 18th, 2004 - 10:16 pm
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You are a

Social Liberal
(61% permissive)


and an...

Economic Moderate
(55% permissive)


You are best described as a:

Centrist


You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.
Interesting...


 
From: cpf
Date: September 20th, 2004 - 10:06 am
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DEATH MATCH

Socialist, no surprise there. On the celebrity chart, almost in the ear of Ghandi. Intheearof Ghandi - get it?

Running the test again in ultimate asshole/moron/patriot mode I scored deep Republican, near O'Reilly's right forehead. They describe this location as Fascist, though.


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